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Despite the pundits, we will not lose sight of the 45th anniversary of MLK's "I have a dream" speech:
Alec MacGillis (straight news): Black Lawmakers Celebrate the History Obama Is Making
And now for the pundits:
"No one has been more gracious and more forthcoming and more helpful to me," Michelle said at a joint appearance with Hillary on Tuesday.
Do we believe this? People, it doesn’t matter a whit. The Clintons did everything they were supposed to do here and in politics, like so much of life, feelings are irrelevant to everyone except the persons doing the feeling.
We’re ready to move on.
The difference from 2004 is that the country is deep into economic plight, deeper into two wars, and weary of Republican fear-mongering. It may even be ready for what Mark Greenwood, a lawyer from Dickinson, N.D., called "someone who knows how to speak the English language."
Ain’t no question Obama can do that.
Ruth Marcus: "I didn't know FDR but he knew me."
George Will: Stop being an elitist, Barack. And don't be so eloquent. I understand you, of course, but the unwashed masses don't.
Charles Krauthammer: Have I lost my mind? Is the Pope Catholic?
At the heart of the desire for Lieberman as running mate is a basic strategic disagreement between the Bush and McCain high commands.
McCain's top strategists argue that the Bush coalition that won the last two presidential elections is dead and must be replaced by a new one that extends to the left, as Lieberman would. Bush strategists disagree, asserting that McCain is getting around 90 percent of the old Bush vote and can win the election with a few moderates added in.
Jay Cost: I do not think Tuesday night accomplished much for Barack Obama. How does this help Obama? I don't get it. Check tomorrow... maybe I figure it out and maybe I don't. (To be fair, most of the Republican talking heads agree with me.)
Obama’s nomination over Clinton represents more than a personal rejection of her and her husband by the party they brought out of the presidential wilderness in 1992.
It is a repudiation of how Bill Clinton remade the Democratic Party.
Clinton's a two time winner. And Obama's William Jennings Bryan, a three time loser. I figure the implications are pretty clear, about as clear as my own impartiality.
So, as Pennsylvania Senator Bob Casey declared, McCain isn't a maverick--he's Bush's sidekick. And, as Ohio Governor Ted Strickland explained: "You know, it was once said of the first George Bush that he was born on third base and thought he'd hit a triple. Well, with the 22 million new jobs and the budget surplus Bill Clinton left behind, George W. Bush came into office on third base, and then he stole second. And John McCain cheered him every step of the way." Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer--the surprise star of the evening--said that the nation couldn't meet its energy needs just by drilling for oil, even if we drilled in every one of John McCain's back yards.
From the GREAT STATE OF MAINE...
A Word Here, A Word There
The proud legacy of Fox News is one of doctored photos, Democrats quoted out of context, hard-right spin, bully reporting, misleading graphics, smear campaigns coordinated with the White House, and "facts" pulled out of their butts.
Now they've apparently adopted a new tactic. If someone uses words that don’t fit their pre-conceived narrative, just change the words:
Fox News' Megyn Kelly noted that during her DNC speech Michelle Obama said, "The world as it is just won't do," and then Kelly continued: "If you replace 'world' with 'country', you are back to the same debate, arguably, that you have been having about Michelle Obama's feelings about the country."
Think of it---you can replace words with other words to change the meaning of a sentence. Sounds like fun! Let me try:
"Democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by
manSatan."
–-Ronald Reagan
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"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand upwith our Presidentin stilettos and fight."
--John McCain
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"Our economy is on the move and we are creating thousands of new jobs, but we need to keep our foot onthe gas pedalpoor people!"
--Mitt Romney
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"America needs to be defended. We need missile defense to better police theskiesMartians over the United States."
--Rudy Giuliani
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"Tonight onHannityBabykiller and Colmes..."
--Alan Colmes
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"And that's tonight'sTalking PointsYou Would Basically Be in the Shower and Then I Would come in and I'd Join You and You Would Have Your Back to Me and I Would Take That Little Loofah Thing and Kinda Soap Up Your Back, Rub It All Over You, Get You to Relax, Hot Water, and Um, Get Your Nipples Really Hard 'Cuz I Like That and You Have Really Spectacular Boobs, and Then I Would Take the Other Hand with the Falafel Thing Memo..."
--Bill O'Reilly
What fun! Thanks, Fox, for teaching us a new way to report the news: Mad Lib journalism.
Cheers and Jeers starts in There's Moreville... [Swoosh!!] RIGHTNOW! [Gong!!]
Tonight's Rescue Team is Louisiana1976, taylormattd, ItsJessMe, YatPundit, drbcladd, and pico:
jotter has High Impact Diaries: August 26, 2008
Carnacki has tonight's Top comments - Obama to battle for West Virginia
Please feel free to suggest your own rescues, and otherwise use as an open thread.
Second-to-last night is over and done...your closing thoughts?
As day three of the convention winds down, the crowd was treated to an unexpected visitor and we all got a preview of tomorrow night.
In other news, rumor has it that John McCain will name his running mate tomorrow ahead of Barack Obama's speech. It's hard to decide whether to laugh at the thought of a green screen running mate, or roll our collective eyes at what kind of a petty, petty person would do that. And if it turns out to be only a rumor, I'll apologize for calling him petty. I will, however, still call him an asshole.
Biden's speech began with lovely tributes to his family, including his mother, of whom he said:
My mother's creed is the American creed: no one is better than you. You are everyone's equal, and everyone is equal to you.
Biden ends by using his authority on foreign policy to detail how Obama's foreign policy judgment has time and again been correct while McCain has been wrong. Biden's foreign policy judgment will not be substituted for Obama's; instead, his credibility will be used to affirm Obama's judgment.
John McCain was wrong, and Barack Obama was right -- again, and again, and again, on the most important national security issues of our time, John McCain was wrong and Barack Obama has been proven right.
And here comes Obama, introduced by Biden's wife Jill.
MSNBC just flashed that the Obama car is driving to the Pepsi Center.
Joe Biden has been nominated and Nancy Pelosi informs us he's accepted.
The video and son Beau's introduction have really focused on Biden's remarkable story of commitment as a father; earlier, Quincy Lucas, an advocate on domestic violence issues, delivered a nominating speech focusing on Biden's longstanding work on the Violence Against Women Act.
Finishing, Beau Biden alludes to the fact that he will be deployed to Iraq this fall, asking the crowd to "be there for my father; be there for Barack Obama."
And now Biden is on...
Who has been your favorite speaker so far tonight? And how do the speakers compare to last night?
Yesterday Bob Casey had one of the best lines of the night:
John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.
Tonight he is relaxing and enjoying the show.

Take the poll and use the comments to tell us how you made your choice.


From Kagro X, reporting from the Pepsi Center...convention goers watching Bill Clinton on TV. Remember, these folks are all about ten steps away from seeing it live. But rather than miss a word during the ten foot walk, they stayed glued to the screens.
John Kerry reporting for duty ....
Before John McCain debates Barack Obama, he needs to finish the debate with John McCain.
America can do better than that and Barack Obama will do better than that.
Clinton just laid some branding on the Democrats and made the Republicans own the last eight years as we saw their ideology in practice.
They want us to reward them for the failures of the last four years with four more years.
The third time is not the charm.
Bill says that Hillary is supporting Barack Obama, that his support makes two of them, and:
Actually, that makes 18 million of us.
And that:
Barack Obama is the man for this job.
Barack Obama is ready to be President of the United States
The Big Dog is up. Prepare for media tears as Bill Clinton endorses Barack Obama. Says Bill:
I am honored to be here tonight...[crowd going nuts]...I am here, first to support Barack Obama and second I'm here to warm up the crowd for Joe Biden.
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